Norwescon Clubs

I REALLY enjoyed these the two days they happened. It was nice to get together and find out just WHAT each of the parties were doing what, and yeah. I would like to have this every year if possible.

This had been common in the past 3 years (2006, 2007, 2008). I also have enjoyed it more, just for the simple fact that it started adding faces to the party groups. You all became people, not "Them".

Yes, the meetings are great things to have.

I think the meetings have really helped us work more together then we did just a few years ago.

I mean four years ago if cups were needed by one of the other groups that we did not really know I am pretty sure that we would not have given any of our away like we did this year. This year some of our extra cups went to Shockwave and I hear some even made it down to help out IBT too.

Working together is much better then against one another.

And thanks again for coming through on the cups. Next year we will be bringing many more, as we now know that we are going to be selling more next year.

8 years ago, there was a lot of talk about our "competition" (mostly by new members of Shockwave but also from members of other groups). As I have said in a previous post, I don't look at you all as competition since none of us provide the exact same entertainment. I look at us all more as departments at a "party supermarket". Sometimes our themes and offerings overlap, but for the most part we are all different enough. We each have our hardcore fans (I didn't know how hardcore one of our fans was, until I ran into his wife in the real world a week later!), but most party goers like the variety and float from room to room. I can't tell you how many times I have heard "I am only dancing here until the wet t-shirt contest" or "I will be back after the slave auction" or "I don't like Industrial so I will be back later when the music has changed again". Some people we do see again that night, others don't come back 'til the next night; they find entertainment elsewhere.

I would also like to encourage some new blood to the party scene. If someone out there sees something, entertainment wise, that is missing, start a party! I started Shockwave because (as it does say on our website http://www.deckerbar.com) most of the parties that I was finding were either invite only, or a room, a boom box, mellow music, and people sitting around trying to "sell" a Convention bid. The biggest advice I can give, though, is to talk to the other party groups to learn from their trials and tribulations. For an example: For the first 3 years, we were in what ever room the hotel stuck us in, including at two Conventions, being the only party in the "alternative party wing". Then, for 4 years, it took me 5 hours to nail down specific rooms. Now, I fill out the paperwork at the end of the Convention, call once shortly after the Convention, and have my rooms cemented down for the next year (as long as my group does not decide to change them).

Also, somebody please post the date and time of the supposedly up-coming, after-Con party meeting.

Thanks folks.

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Hm.


I think I have to disagree with you on a few points. I'm not trying to play the asshole card; I just have a different perspective.

1) I do look at the other parties as competition. Not out of some ego fueled vainglorious attempt to be # 1, not to gloat or rub it in other peoples faces, but an honest attempt to encourage people to step their game up.

I believe that if you are throwing the same gig you did three years ago, you are coasting. It's nice to know what to expect, and it's nice to see the same people, but if the only thing that changes year after year is the music, then you start to stagnate. It's why LotB always tries new things and to do more than we did last time. We do keep some of the same stuff that works, but that in no way means that we stop with that. We keep the things our audience likes, scrap the things they don’t, and try and find more ways to help people have as much fun at NWC as possible.

I’ll give you some examples-

a) A Staple- The Champagne Room- For years, it’s always been a handful of ladies shoved in a bathroom and made to wait for two hours while the other folks scream in the main room. We thought we’d change that a bit. We started by giving every lady who entered a towel with our logo on it. From there we tried getting them to select music in advance to dance to. Then we added cool medals for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, then prizes. This year we gave away over $300 in prizes to the ladies, hopefully next year we’ll be giving away a full on stripper pole. The point is, is that every year we try to add a value to not only winning, but participating as well. More and more we wanted it to be a production rather than the same old thing. Next year, we are trying to get some closed circuit flat screen in where the ladies (and the VIP’s from their own lounge) can watch the show too. I think the biggest thing we want to do is shorten the time on it so we can get back to the party.
b) Something New from this year- Concoction and Iron Bartender. These things were fantastic! Short time in set up, lots of audience participation, long on fun. Who’d of thought that a Friday night party would have over 600 people getting their drink on and getting ready for the next night. More over, to have 50 people watching 5 poor bastards on stage drink 6 drinks in under an hour (This is, indeed, by design) and laughing themselves silly is a great ice breaker and a good lead up to an outrageous night of fun. We tried it, it worked, and it’s going to be around for a while.
c) Something that didn’t- Ladies Man. I like to think that the intent was good, but there was something lacking in the execution. It needs to be revamped or replaced. Right now I’m thinking that if we can get it down where we can do it in an hour and make it a bit more entertaining, but it will have to be seriously looked at. I’m thinking of adding a slime rig or something if one of the contestants goes too far so there is some satisfaction if the guy on stage becomes too much of an ass. We’ll call it “going Nickelodeon” on their juvenile white trash self or something. In any case, as it was not as good as it could have been so we’re going to re work it.

Ultimately what we are looking at is entertainment. When you say we’re a supermarket of parties, I would have to disagree. *I* think (and when I say I, I mean me- Sean. McBastard. Mr. Big Blue Otterpop. Myself. Not my crew, not my friends, just me.) I believe that we are entertainers, and that we have a responsibility to our audience to make sure that they have as great a time at NWC as possible. Some people will do “what they want to do” and that’s cool, but there is the old show business adage- “If you don’t entertain your audience, someone else will.”. Therefore we will always go for a better gig than last year, we will always try and have something new (and we have some stellar ideas for next year), and we will always go farther than our competition. Because when everyone steps up their game, everyone wins.

2) I disagree about what you say about starting a party at NWC. The logistics and rules from the Doubletree are just too hard. We had to go across the street. Why? Because the costs of doing business with the Doubletree were just too out of hand. So when you say “Start a Party” where would you want to have it? The Lakesides Suites are nice enough for 35-40 people. But what about the other few hundred? As we saw, and the hotel proved, the double tree is only interested in their own bottom line rather than providing a service. They even tried to soft shoe us with Maxi’s and look how well that turned out. What needs to happen is that the Convention and more specifically the Party Hikers need to rally and tell the Doubletree that their terms are unacceptable and if our dollars are not welcome then we will spend them elsewhere.

Personally, I believe that when at first they said “NO more parties” after last year it was only when it was shown to them in their hotel / convention contract that it was allowed to happen. So what did the Double tree do? They sent it to the Hilton legal department to find as many work arounds as possible looking for a window to make the parties as hard to throw as possible while still keeping the option open. Furthermore, I believe that their lines about the union were nothing more than a song And dance routine for their contract negotiations so they could say “See, we support and enforce our union agreements” when a spotlight event is happening. I know for a fact that they have other groups up there to hold parties and events without their union staff (I’ve been too those parties, I’ve poured my own drinks and drinks for others, and there was nary a hotel union staffer in sight) and “Now” they choose to enforce their agreements? Furthermore, I call bullshit. I say they wanted to look good enough just long enough for the Union negotiations and cut down on their hassles in 5B at the same time. The beauty of this play for them is that they could always say “Oh it’s not us, it’s the Union.” and shifts the blame elsewhere all the while trying to look the part of the good guy. This might seem like a whacked out conspiracy deal, but if you think about it, it makes a great deal of sense. All the Hotel wanted was our $$$, and they would do whatever it takes to get it. That’s what you do when you are trying to push a client out the door- you take as much of their money as you can and hope they don’t come back.

LotB made their decision with their hotel dollars, and we feel it worked out just fine. We got a General Manager who is indeed THE BOMB, and great to work with. With the previously noted exception of the night manager, the LaQuinta Staff loved us and the fact that we left our site better than we found it. We did have some first time mistakes for a new site on both sides, but there was never an issue of “This won’t work”. For the record, the staff was all about making the event as fun and easy as possible. I think the big lesson that we learned was that most people would rather go to a convention during the day, party at their hotel at night, and go back to their room without having to cross the street rather than get a room at the double tree, go to the big party across the street, drink to their hearts content, and then have to drag themselves all the way back out to 5B. The way we saw it- LaQuinta for the Win.

Until the Double tree chooses to deal properly with the Party Hikers and open up convention space for us to throw our own late night events, I’d have to suggest that people with good ideas go to an established group and try to get something going with them. LotB has an open door policy to new people, although we do make them earn their stripes. This year we had some new people come on and they worked out VERY well (Mad Props and love to Hot Sauce, Brien, Aaron, Dom, Zak, the Gnomes, and the Cult!). If I was going to suggest ANYTHING is that if someone or someone’s meets a party hiker group that they like, that they should approach them about working with them for next year. Who knows? You just may have a prodigy on your hands.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. It was longer than I thought it would be, and far more opinionated that it really needed to have been, but it’s something that I feel strongly about.

Peace out!

~Sean

With all of my fears about working with the Double Tree this year all I can is it was no problem.

We packed them in, followed the rules that applied, and served some of the best damn food that you can get with no issues, no complaints, and nothing but compliments from the hotel, its management, and its staff along with plenty of kudos from the con goers.

Both the 5b teams and the La Quinta teams had tons of success and did what they did best.

I think that Drew is very right in what he said, and I will even say McBastard hit a few good points.

We just need to remember that we all basically have the same goals and that is to show as many people as we can a good time.

We packed them in, followed the rules that applied,

that i don't get
on thursday night at my private bday party, i just had the parlor area of the suite, ergo the room and big ass bathroom and it's deck weren't used at all. we were far from "packed" in the space we had and yet we broke the capacity limit a couple times
so were the occupancy rules followed in 5b or not?

Errhead:
No. The only rule we broke (that I am away of) was the occupancy. At times, I am sure that we approached 30 people in a standard room. Don't believe me? Check out our website gallery for Norwescon 31. BUT...

we had no furniture for tripping hazards, the hallway between the door and the middle of the room was mainly clear, and there was plenty of elbow room in the room itself.

We WERE inspected by the WSLCB, the fire marshal (who did show up once while were were about 5X over capacity (of 6), the hotel, the Convention, and the Sheriff. Nobody told us that we were doing anything wrong, and there was plenty of opportunity. Instead, the hotel complimented us (including one manager telling the WSLCB that we were ones that they would have no problems with), Katie was very grateful, and we had very minor complaints from the people attending the party (the biggest complaint was the change in pricing for a cup of drink, but once our bartender explained the liquor license, the complainants seemed to settle down). We also did not have the marathon drinkers that we get every year.

Over all, I chalked it up as a successful year, though another year or two will prove it definitively.

Now, McBastard might be right and the hotel was trying to force us out, not just minimizing their liabilities, but if the rumors every year is true, there has always been problems abound. I was told by one of the Con staff that last year alone, there was an average of 8 police calls per hour after 10 pm Friday and Saturday. This year, there was one in the whole weekend. True that this might have been due to how few people were in the halls during the parties, but then again, it might have had to do with more control over the parties that were going on.

Occupancy: I can say with certainty that Biohazard (sorry guys for singling you out - though this does show your popularity) has grown to the point that the room is over crowded. Two years ago, I came looking for a young lady who's escort had misplaced her. I heard that she had wandered in to the wet t-shirt contest, so came looking for her there. It took me more than 20 minutes to work my way through the crowd from one side of the room to the other in the main room of a suite and about the same to move in to the sleeping room where the contest was being held.

Damage: Another rumor is that at least 2 suites every year had to receive excessive repairs. As I understand it, the groups responsible for these suites do take care of the financial obligations associated with this damage, but I don't know if that includes the loss of revenue while the repairs are performed, not to mention the loss of consistency of interior design (all the rooms are supposed to be decorated the same so that your experience is the same regardless of what room you are in).

Over serving: This year, I did not see anyone trying to move a semi-conscious person down the hallways. This has been a common problem every year (the drunk passed out in the hall) but was absent this year.

OK, so sarcastically I reply: I don't see where the hotel has a case.

We have been asked by our fans, every year for the past 6+ to expand into a suite. Every year we discuss it. Financially, we can't do it. The return from the party does not come close to breaking even in the smaller, less expensive rooms. I am sure that the revenue would increase in a suite but I don't think it would increase enough to offset our cost increases.

Also, logistically we can't do it. This was the first year in many that we had too much help in our group. We had gotten used to running this party on 3 dependable people and could not increase the size until we had more. We don't take volunteers, just members, so had to get our numbers up to help control the environment (back up to the occupancy: We had 7 members this year to throw a party in a room that held 6 people maximum - how's that for messed up logistics?). This year, members of our group actually got to leave the room after the party started since there was plenty of people to cover their position. So, basically, a smaller area requires less people to cover it.

I will be the first to also admit that we are cheap cowards! We are afraid to spend the kind of cash necessary to increase our space. We are afraid to spend the kind of cash necessary to repair excessive damages to the room. This is the biggest reason why we have removed the furniture every year. The second reason, of coarse, is for the floor space.

This may be "Coasting" but we do work hard every year to bring a consistant product. We threw a party that, compared to the previous years, had only one outward change: the price of the drink. Sure, the music was a bit different, but not much. We advertise 80's new wave. Unfortunately, they aren't producing any new 80's new wave. We advertise Industrial music. I lost my strictly Industrial DJ a few years back, but I do have 90% of his collection. I am just not in the scene enough to hear the newer stuff, so unless it is requested and brought in the next year, my industrial is a bit out of date. The newer music that I do have is in the Techno genre. The better known, of course, gets radio play, so I get it as soon as I can.

As for consistancy of our recipe for Purple Stuff, it was originally made with Hawiian Punch 64 Oz concentrate. This has been discontinued. We have worked hard to find a suitable replacement. Also, another of our ingredients, just this year, has become a special order item and our supplier changed brands last year at about the same time as the Con causing a huge headache.

We tried to have an updated dance floor this year, but ran out of time and money, thanks to the changes this year. We also changed from 2 5 gallon glass bottles and a syphon to 6 5 gallon plastic bottles and a water cooler, thanks to a friend moving out of state and not wanting to carry them with him. Our sound system is 100% ours, where in the first years we rented everything (want equipment, contact me, I know where there is a great deal for rentals and purchases).

All this, again, to "coast". We are throwing the party that we set out 12 years ago to throw. We see a lot of the same faces all weekend every year, so we must be doing something right. I will leave the food service, the wet t-shirt contests, the oil wrestling, the slave auctions, and the other "events" to the people that want to throw them, but we set out to play good music, "get our drink on", dance, and socialize, and we are succeeding. Again, I say, I need you all to be all the things that I can't or won't.

As for my request for new parties: I still believe that more "little" parties of 20 to 30 people each would keep people moving from room to room (granted, that breaks the 6 max, but we have proved that done right, we will be left alone). I refuse to play R&B and hip hop, heavy rock (Slipknot, etc.), or country music at our party, so there are examples of 3 niches that could be filled. I also did not see the "internet cafe" this year. Did it go away? If so, grab a few gaming systems and a small LAN party is born. Run tournaments. Not everything party related has alcohol involved. ISS does a superb job with their "Party in A Box" food service. But they are only Friday night. There are numerous party ideas out there, and not all have to be "open door". Give the masses choices and keep people moving.

Sean, I don't disagree that you have legitemate complaints. And some of your statements were very valid. We ARE all entertainers. LotB and MoD did get screwed hard by the hotel over Maxi's.. And at one time, I did consider the other parties as competition (albeit friendly) until we found our niche. And a lot of the above statements are just my opinions or rumors, so understand that I am not trying to be antagonistic towards you or your group(s). I am just trying to have a friendly debate, and in such a way that others are not immediately scared off from the Con or the parties (whether as an attendee or an operator). Also, I wholeheartedly agree to the "apprenticing" with an established group, but again, by all means, don't be afraid to strike out on your own. I was originally throwing parties with a group from the first incarnation of ISS, and we lost one of our own who thought that he could "do it better". Unfortunately, he never got his off the ground, which is a shame, I would have loved to see what he came up with - he surprised me with the popularity of his "Dark Wave" DJ sets for our group, which included groups like Enigma and the such.

Can we get someone to start a thread where everyone can say whether their party was a success or a failure? Just for curiosity sake? A couple of suggestions: Just one statement per group, no replies (to help keep it shorter). Success or Failure? Location? Issues that arose? What group? What nights? And what rules were knowingly broken (though this may bring heat down on you, so optional?)

I have now been awake for 27 hours and need to get off to bed, so I will close with this: We were just as pissed as everyone else, but to bring the party that everyone expects from us, we had to give it a try, the hotel's way. It worked. But, I did succeed to protest my way. I said that I was going to minimize the amount of money that I spent at the hotel. One of our group made casseroles to bring, brought a toaster oven, and I brought a dorm fridge. We did not pay for the overpriced food that the hotel was trying to schill out to us. We paid for the rooms that we would have had with or without the party (I spent one Con with a room off-site - a whole different experience when you have to cross the road to get to the event), and I bought a cup of tea for a friend. My total expenditures above the cost of the room: $2.65 - Not the $300 to $500 that I normally spend! That was MY boycott and from my end, a success.

Sorry for rambling on, but this has just sparked more and more rebuttal. So good night,everyone.

Drew

errhead wrote:

We packed them in, followed the rules that applied,

that i don't get
on thursday night at my private bday party, i just had the parlor area of the suite, ergo the room and big ass bathroom and it's deck weren't used at all. we were far from "packed" in the space we had and yet we broke the capacity limit a couple times
so were the occupancy rules followed in 5b or not?

Sorry to be unclear. The thing you have know about our party is that we spread it across three rooms, thus making our own staff a non-issue for our lounge area. Plus we used a family room where we could have 25 people, but we closed off the side bedroom and used that for furnature storage enabling us to pack the main room where we had seating and dancing (nobody said that the 25 people had to split up into 2 rooms). With all of our yummy goodies being served from the two rooms across the hall where we could allow a total of 12 people and then shuffling people across the hall to sit, eat, chat, and dance where we only needed one or two staff members it let us really have a zone where we could still pack a room. We kept to the 25 limit for most of the night (packed for a room that size) and only exceeded it a few times and usually only for a small period of time, but that woud be counting a couple folks on the balcony.

The other thing that you have to understand is that most of the rules that the hotel put into place simply did not apply to us. We do not serve booze and we are a federal 501.c.3 non-profit if it came to us needing any sort of permit, which we didn't. Not serving alcohol made most of the rules simply not even apply to us.

We also kept the door to the loung area closed and guarded so the food part of our party was open, while the lounge was closed and only people that wen't through the open part of the party and donated were invited into the closed area of the lounge.

It is not about breaking the rules, because we did not break a single one if you add on the people they said could be on the balcony (not in the room), it is about using all of the rules the way they are written to your full advantage.

Voodrew wrote:Damage: Another rumor is that at least 2 suites every year had to receive excessive repairs. As I understand it, the groups responsible for these suites do take care of the financial obligations associated with this damage, but I don't know if that includes the loss of revenue while the repairs are performed, not to mention the loss of consistency of interior design (all the rooms are supposed to be decorated the same so that your experience is the same regardless of what room you are in).

I know for a fact tthat damages assesed by the hotel were payed when I did them, and I good reason to believe that other groups have also payed when they did damage.

the way I see it, the remodel they did two years back is what started much of the bickering over the parties. For several years, none of those suites were anywhere near what I would call "Stellar A+" condition, and not just because of 'con parties. From what I've heard from hotel staff, those were the "dumping ground" suites that they didn't even recommend to guests who wanted suites until everything else was filled in the other wings. Until they remodeled them, they only cared enough to keep the suites servicable, and that is how I was able to pay a much more reasonable amount of money when I destroyed the carpet in the 2nd floor suite 4 years ago.

tmercenary wrote:

Voodrew wrote:Damage: Another rumor is that at least 2 suites every year had to receive excessive repairs. As I understand it, the groups responsible for these suites do take care of the financial obligations associated with this damage, but I don't know if that includes the loss of revenue while the repairs are performed, not to mention the loss of consistency of interior design (all the rooms are supposed to be decorated the same so that your experience is the same regardless of what room you are in).

I know for a fact tthat damages assesed by the hotel were payed when I did them, and I good reason to believe that other groups have also payed when they did damage.

the way I see it, the remodel they did two years back is what started much of the bickering over the parties. For several years, none of those suites were anywhere near what I would call "Stellar A+" condition, and not just because of 'con parties. From what I've heard from hotel staff, those were the "dumping ground" suites that they didn't even recommend to guests who wanted suites until everything else was filled in the other wings. Until they remodeled them, they only cared enough to keep the suites servicable, and that is how I was able to pay a much more reasonable amount of money when I destroyed the carpet in the 2nd floor suite 4 years ago.

I am glad to know that the damages were responsibly taken care of. What happens in any of the rooms reflects on all of us. You know that the hotel doesn't say "That Shockwave group are such hooligans." They say "Those damned room parties are a menace" even if Shockwave (using us so as not to offend anyone else - honestly, we are more than a little easy on the rooms) is the culprit.

I work for a company does specific upgrades for the Hilton company, so have spent a lot of time in Doubletree Inns across America. I know for a fact that the remodel was going on across the Nation (not necessarily cocurrently), so regardless how the hotel itself felt about the suites, the Corporation instigated the remodel and the investment had to be protected. Hilton themselves were not out of order in any of this.

On the other hand, the hotel has a history of a lack of communication and this, again, is where my issue is. We had designed our equipment to fit into the rooms and incorporate the furniture as needed. We didn't find out about the renovations until the day we checked in and found the wrong furniture in the rooms AND threats of HUGE charges for damages or just the belief that someone was smoking in the rooms. The way it was explained to me, is that if someone on the balcony was smoking and the smoke drifted in the room, leaving a cigarette stench in the room, there would be a $2000 charge to have the room cleaned. As we found this out the day of check in, there was no way to plan around the furniture change or prep the room to prevent the cleaning charge. Luckily, we sent someone to the store for Febreeze and sprayed the curtains at the end of the Convention and was not charged for the cleaning. Whew.

This year, they gave us 4 months to do 3 months of paperwork (if you are not already listed as a non-profit) that tended to take several attempts to get right, to continue to throw our style of party. Also, there was nowhere in print what the maximum occupancy of standard room was. The smallest number in print was 25, so the day of the party, we were then verbally informed of the maximum occupancy of 6! Not much time to back out now, right? We average 25 anyways, but with 7 people throwing the party, one of our own group would not be allowed in and we would not have been able to have guests!

I don't mind being law abiding, but I do need time to prepare!

If the hotel had an issue with room parties, why did they not notify us earlier in the year? If there has been an escalation in problems, there have been signs in the past years. If last year's issues were an exception, was this a knee jerk reaction?

As for the crap over Maxi's, I can not comment since I don't have both sides of the story nor was I involved but I did not get the feeling at the Convention that the hotel did not want the parties. As I said, Katie was very helpful and seemed grateful that we stuck around and Richard (The manager that signed our Special Occasion Liquor License application) was on our side with the WSLCB.

Again, this year was enough of a success for us, that instead of using my one of my bosses' non-profit to apply for the liquor license, we are applying for our own. I am trying to monitor the hotel's attitude more closely this year to ensure that we have time to do the paperwork and it would not be done in vain.

I wish I knew if the room parties are wanted at the con or not. Of course that’s really an unfair question, after all who are you asking (the con guest, con Ghost, the hotel, or the con staff). We also have different levels of parties from private party of friends to large parties that are in fact a licensed business selling booze and entertainment to customers. I fit somewhere in the middle, we want to be open to the public (within the fan base) but we are not trying to make money from the parties. I know a lot other people are also in that category.
I get the impression that the small private parties are welcome by the hotel but the bigger parties are not. I came to this conclusion when they posted the rule that you can only put up one poster on your door. I don’t think the fire marshals, liquor boards, or unions can be blamed for not allowing party posting boards provided by the con stationed around the hotel. Granted some of the posters/ flyers advertizing room parties last year could have been viewed as offensive to the general public but I think we could have cleaned that up if it was a stated problem.
I’m concerned that the non-profit licenses, liquor license (not banquets), bartender licenses, and bonded furniture movers might be shifting the traditional “room parties” into something larger then what the hotel wants in a private suit. Sometimes trying to be more “compliant” just makes things worse. The ultimate irony would be if after years of jumping throw higher more expensive hoops to try to comply with the hotel the parties are kicked out of the con based on some obscure rule (always there but never enforced) that the hotel does not allow business to operate out of private suits. For example years ago people were selling vampire teeth out of private rooms and they where shutdown for running a business out of a hotel room.
Wouldn’t things be a lot simpler if we could use a truth drugs during negotiations. I know my wife would have like to have know what I was thinking when I said I would like to throw a little party at the con.

That obscure rule about businesses operating in hotel rooms actually falls under prostitution enforcement.

I have been in the adult entertainment industry (one of the many hats I wear) for about 12 years. In some of the codes that I had to deal with for my job, one (and it has been 7 years since I saw this law) in King County actually mentions that the exchange of services in a hotel room is prostitution. It is worded so loosely as not to mention sex, just any service.

Selling jewelry out of a hotel room is prostitution. Fangs - prostitution. How's that for funny?

Voodrew wrote: Selling jewelry out of a hotel room is prostitution. Fangs - prostitution. How's that for funny?

I guess you could look at that as receiving oral but normally you would ask for no teeth!

So if I understand what you’re saying, if a party group gets there nonprofit business license(or any business license) and the liquor license to run a bar they are in fact now breaking differently law by providing a service in a hotel as a business. I don’t know why the hotel would not start enforcing this law when they did it in the past at this very con. It seem like if the hotel didn’t enforce the law they would be in legal hot water from the unions (prostitutes union?)

Man it’s like being neck deep in quick sand, the harder you struggle the faster you sink.

Pretty much. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But, there are enough laws in King county area that if they really wanted to shut us down, they could.

Just another few examples of crazy laws in Seattle, and Washington:

It is illegal to have sex with a virgin - whether you are married to her or not - in Washington state. This falls under the anti-sodomy laws.

It is illegal for a woman to drive in Seattle after dark unless a man is walking in front of the vehicle with a lantern at a set distance (been I while since I found this one so I don't remember the distance).

In Seattle, women who sit on men's laps on buses or trains without placing a pillow between them face an automatic 6 months in jail.

In Seattle, it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon longer than 6 feet (imagine how this one works).

It is illegal to pretend one's parents are rich.

In Washington state, it's against the law to sleep in an outhouse without the owner's permission.

In the state of Washington, it's illegal to catch a fish by throwing a rock at it.

An old law in Bellingham, Washington, made it illegal for a woman to take anything other than backwards steps while dancing.

In Washington state it's illegal for a candidate to buy anyone a drink on Election Day.

Under the law of the state of Washington, any restroom with pay toilets has to have an equal number of free toilets. This law came to pass after the speaker of the state House of Representatives raced to an all-pay facility without a dime.

In Washington state it's illegal to sell to minors comics that might incite them to violence or depraved or immoral acts.

In Washington state, until quite recently, you could have been fined up to $500 for removing or defacing the label on a pillow.

The state of Washington doesn't allow marathon dancing--or marathon skipping, sliding, gliding, rolling or crawling.

Washington state doesn't allow fake wrestling.

If the honey you are eating in Seattle is a blend of honey from two or more types of flowers, it's illegal for the honey to be labeled as having come from one type of flower.

You need a license to sell condoms in Washington state.

Obviously, some of these are outdated - but they are still on the books and enforcable.